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Death, Physics, Initiation

From An Interview with Shamcher Bryn Beorse

J=Jelaluddin Boru S=Shamcher

J: How about death?
S: That is another reason for the misunderstanding. Death is a different thing than we usually picture it. And death doesn’t come from a disease. A disease may come at the same time, and then people will say, “Oh, he died from cancer.” You can’t prevent death, and why should you want to? That is why healing groups make a great mistake when they say, “These people mustn’t die, we must heal them.” Cancer may be a hideous disease, but there is nothing hideous about death. It is merely a certain rhythm which says “now this form of life is out.”
Many people ask about Inayat Khan’s death. Well, there are many theories, but I see that he had simply lived out his life. He wasn’t physically exhausted or anything like that, in fact he was fresh enough to be able to go to India and live a comfortable last year there, but his life as a constant stimulator of people’s vibrations was finished. So he said as he went to India that he wanted no one to go with him. A couple of disciples disobeyed.

J: Had you intimations of his death before it came?
S: Well, one time he said to me, “Murshid has no more interest” and I had a feeling about it then, and another time when I told him that I was looking forward to meeting him the following summer he said, “From now on, Shamcher, we will meet in your intuition.”

J: Did you say once that he died of a broken heart?
S: No, I never said that, that was —– who said that.

J: Some say that he was poisoned.
S: These are all superstitions. He was very happy that last year, and when he died there was the scent of roses in the room.
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J: What are your thoughts on your own death?
S: Oh, I was in it once, when I had my accident, and the doctors told my children that I was dead. And during that time I met my parents and everything was fine, but then I was insolent enough to come back.
That experience of death was a very pleasant thing. My mother and father spoke to me as if I had been there with them all the time. They weren’t surprised, and the whole thing felt like it was just a continuation of a conversation. Probably I had been there before and not remembered it. Or perhaps without being aware of it.
By the way, when you were speaking about the mystic sciences before, were you including the atomic theory and the Quantum theory? I would include these as well. Because when you have a light photon you can explain it mathematically as a wave, that is, you have a certain set of equations which describe it as a wave, but then simultaneously you have another set of equations that describe it as a particle, an entirely different set of equations. So the old physicists say, the ones still bound to the old form of cause and effect, that this is impossible, it can’t be two things. But the Quantum theory people say, “Yes, the two things seemingly opposite are two poles of the same reality…”
In a sense we can explain it like this. Imagine you have a circle. When you look at it from the end it looks like a straight line. So in this dimension it is just a line. But stand it up in the second dimension and it appears as the circle. Now, if you put it in the third dimension you may have a doughnut; cut a line through it, you have two circles, but actually these two circles are just another way of expressing the doughnut in the third dimension.
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J: I am always very interested when we talk about the concept of opposites. Isn’t that how linguistics tries to explain language, as a system embodying a relationships of opposites?
S: Yes, language is built on the relationship of opposites, but not so much in Chinese or the other Oriental languages as our own.

J: I found that out a couple of years ago when I worked for a time as a Vietnamese interpreter, Those languages are so much more fluid and less suggestive of what we sometimes call the “subject-object dichotomy”…
A line from Hazrat Inayat Khan has just entered my head here. He says: “Everything is apprehended by its opposite, And that’s why God is so hard to apprehend because He has no opposites.”
S: That’s very good. That’s very true… It is we who are living in the opposites. Good or evil, dark or light…
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J: What is enlightenment?
S: Oh, enlightenment, yes. Well, let us just say that enlightenment is something you are looking forward to, and when you reach it then you can begin looking forward to the next enlightenment.
You see, there is always more…
Even God himself gets better all the time! When you have begun to be enlightened you feel, “Yes, I have a lot more to learn, but now at least I am happy because there is no doubt anymore.” And in this state you can look at the mistakes you have made, and passed and know that they are fine, that they belong. So you are enlightened in the sense that your doubts aren’t giving you such trouble, and you are ready to begin learning a thousand things…

J: Enlightenment is the point at which you realize that you don’t know?! Ya! (chuckles)
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J: There is something that happens like that in initiation, where you begin to “know that you don’t know” only it’s so sudden that it can be tremendously confusing. After I was initiated by Neaatma at that Canada camp, the same time that I met you, Shamcher, I entered a period of bewilderment in which I felt completely disconnected from my normal habits and routines. Like I am a writer, and I couldn’t get myself to sit down and write, except for brief intense bursts, for about four months!
Now I think that a lot of what was happening to me was that I was learning to communicate without words, what the sufis call “tawwajeh” or heart to heart, and in the midst of this lesson I couldn’t immerse myself in the same old ways of analyzing and describing everything…,
It’s not painful to me anymore. Probably because I am finally coming out of it. But what would you say to someone who is still going through it…?
S: You just have to wait, be in touch with the silences as we’ve talked about, and it will work itself out.

J: Is that all? Do you think it is bad to struggle against it?
S: Yes. That is useless, and will make the experience worse.

J: I wish I understood this more. The point where I stopped being angry with myself for being unable to transmit the images that I was being bombarded with through my pen, to just feeling wonderful about the deep change that was going on in my being.,.
S: You know, this is really wonderful for me to hear. I didn’t realize that the initiations being given by the present initiators could still do that… When I was initiated by Inayat, I hung around in Suresnes for six weeks and then–blam!

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Attachments

From An Interview with Shamcher Bryn Beorse

J=Jelaluddin Boru, S=Shamcher

J : Could you give us an example of someone being too attached to fruits?
S: Yes. l have a friend who is an economist. I consider him the finest economist in the United States. He is also a zen man, and interested in Sufism and Yoga.
One day he comes to me and says, “Bryn, I don’t think I will continue any longer.” I don’t give him any response. “Yes,” he says, “I have articles running in the Economic journal, and I have written three books, but nobody listens… Nobody does what I ask…I think I’ll give up.”
Why do you want to give up, I say. Look how hard I have worked all my life. And yet the only thing that I can do is to continue with what believe in for the rest of my life, and the less people who listen the intensely must I work.”
So he says: “But Bryn, you are one in a million, no I mean one in a billion…” But anyway he realized that he had made a mistake by saying that he was going to give up.

J: We have spoken a great deal about attachments. Would you say that even if people cannot dissolve their attachments, they would become much better off if they could simply make them more gentle?
S: I think so, yes, definitely. Too often the trouble is that we want a sudden change into something impossible, we want a pedestal, so that is true. We can develop right here and now, if not perfectly, at least gradually.
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J: We spoke of disease. Would you say that a person can cure himself?
S: In the first place, whatever name you put on a disease is laughable. People say, “Oh, cancer. That can’t be cured…” Who knows what cancer means? And who knows that that can’t be cured? Everything can be and has been completely cured at different times. And any disease that you can name has been completely cured by some people. The reason that there is so little of it now is that there is so little faith in these things…
There is a sort of faith in medical science, and of course some of the doctors in this field are the finest people in the world. And of them the very finest admit that they cannot answer questions like this, because they only know one dimension of healing and that is not entirely natural.
I know of one of these men, a Dr. Simonton, who has taken on any cancer patient who is given up by regular doctors, and then he makes them develop their thought power–their heart and thought power combined–and then really look at themselves. A phenomenally high percentage have been cured… He has even described cases in which a cancerous growth has diminished in a week or a month into nothing.
Or there is the story of the yogi in India who had his hand cut off by the police who thought he was a criminal. And then the policeman said, “Oh, I’m sorry, you’re not the right person…!” But the yogi told him not to worry about it, held the arm back in place for awhile, sitting there, and in half an hour there wasn’t a sign.
This is the ability the human body has in it. And we have not been utilizing it–though it is perhaps not so bad. Humanity has gone into an anti-spiritual development for awhile to find the “facts” of life, and now, gradually, we are returning to that more keen understanding of what life is all about, and the amazing things that our bodies can do.

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Appetites

From An Interview with Shamcher Bryn Beorse

J=Jelaluddin Boru, S=Shamcher

J: Harmony is so much a part of the message. And mastery of the forces within us so much a part of mastering the outer conflict which tends to separate us from our fellow beings… Yet how often we know nothing about how to go about learning self-control. And because of this lack of knowledge a very good intention becomes distorted and our appetites become exaggerated, and then explode outwardly in a very dangerous manner later on…Do you have any practical methods to recommend for the control of appetites, for the balancing of obsession?
S: It is all very, very individual. When I was young I enjoyed fasting. I now know that that is not the right way for everybody. I would fast for two or three weeks, eat nothing, and hardly even drink anything. Now, for some people that would be terrible. But I survived and even worked as usual and felt as strong. Sometimes I felt a little cooler…
The trouble was when I began eating again. The tendency is to eat too much. One should start with very little: an apple or a cracker, for if you eat too much you may destroy all the good effects of the fast.
But the most important effect one gets from a fast is the feeling one starts to get about this body of yours…
WHO is really taking care of it?!

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Dolphin Eye Drops

From Correspondence:

20 January 1980
Dear ____
Thank you for two letters. It is clear from them that you are one man who can solve the eye drop problem along with one or more Canadian eye medical doctors, preferably of the modern medical type who acknowledges the virtue of some Indian and other native medicines. Fred’s and Dolphin drops are good but not necessarily the best. With your own and the eye doctor’s knowledge you may produce something as good or better. Also, if the eye doctors wants to he may go to the Medical association in Seattle and together they may make Fred reveal his formula or else he would be prohibited from making or selling it. The doctors are welcome to come to me for information on the whole story. My sight was threatened by extinction in the fifties, all doctors medicines no good. The Dolphin Drops cured me completely even increased my sight. A woman in Seattle had a diagnosed cancer on her eye lids. It disappeared completely after some months treatment with the drops.
In your letter of 9 January you generalize about the state of the world. This is based on your education through school, sufism etc. and not the best way. The world is as it is today simply because humanity is still very young and strays in all directions. Nothing particularly wrong or unexpected with that. Unfortunately though we may be wiped out because ….. Do not, please, mention any of all that to the doctors or other you talk to about eye drops. Neither about sufism. Much in sufism is not right. I mean: in the minds of some sufis today. Nor are the “gurus” from India or Tibet right as a group. Some few individuals are. On the whole: speculate if you will, but don’t take that too seriously. A time will come when you will see. Then you will talk very little, perhaps not at all. In your lifetime you may meet one or two people who are clear. That is all today.
Love,
Shamcher

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Healing

Health is natural, people will say.  Oh yes, but when we-all compete in living un-naturally, what have you?  So healing is required, but don’t give people the idea that you will or can heal them.  You might add a little lift to his/her own efforts.  Follow the script, the rules and put your soul in it and you will do all that is possible.  Sometimes, of course, an apparent “illness” is a way of terminating this life and any healing in that case would be an interference.  But don’t worry.  Life will take care of itself.

(from correspondence)

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Pain

A special signal is pain.  As long as it is accepted as a signal and nothing else, it is good and does its work, fulfills its purpose.  If, in addition, it becomes a nuisance or even unacceptable suffering, this is a further signal that one has gone astray, that one has some revision to do.  Contact the Creator inside you and outside you, which is really your essential self.  Ask “Him” (or her?) why the healthful rays of the universe are not penetrating and completely healing you this very minute, and within seconds or at least hours you should have a reply.  The reply may be relief from pain and/or insight into what your should further do for improvement.

(from correspondence)

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Diet

There comes a time for some, when no diet is necessary; the mind, the soul, masters the body at whatever diet or no diet is accepted. But generally people should not fool themselves and imagine they are on that stage.

(from correspondence)

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